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Sniper 11:23 Tue Mar 15
All schools to become academies in the budget, according to the beeb

Oh dear

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35814215

Hammer and Pickle 2:43 Fri Mar 18
Re: All schools to become academies in the budget, according to the beeb

Been in private sector language teaching for 25 years. Reading this thread and the various reports of the government has been doing to education in terms of simple political interference, I can honestly say I wouldn't have lasted five years in the UK public sector.

overbyyer 2:35 Fri Mar 18
Re: All schools to become academies in the budget, according to the beeb

Exile - it the price you pay for being in one of the politicised careers.

Imagine the man-tears that would be shed if people regularly publicly criticised the mass of anonymous middle managers on here as not deserving the salary they get, don't know how lucky they are, too much time off etc etc.



Actually, on reflection - that's largely true, so would be justified.

the exile 2:27 Fri Mar 18
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Penners - I hold my hands up to the name-calling - apologies. It was probably more deserved by scud than by you. You're being a bit more rational than you were earlier in the thread, but hopefully you now have a better understanding of why teachers appear to do a bit of moaning. As for not being able to take criticism, I disagree. It's unfair criticism from people who have no idea of what it's like to be a teacher that we can't take.

geoffpikey 11:44 Fri Mar 18
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All very interesting views.

But anyone here saying teachers are workshy are surely joking. I used to stay up with mum (primary teacher) hand-drawing lines on to blank-page books to help her, because the the then funding couldn't/wouldn't supply proper notebooks for young children. She worked from 6am to 10pm.

A lot has since changed, I know.

It's like the criticism of NHS Jr doctors. These people don't do it for profit. It's a vocation. We should treat them better.

We have the money. HS2 is a folly. Anyone can work on a train if they need to, with current tech.

And every teacher I know thinks an "academy" system is rubbish. It's diversive. RANT over.

Hermit Road 10:01 Fri Mar 18
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Go down the thread. The sums for that have already been worked out.


Either way, this government is really fucking about with things they don't need to be touching. With this, the doctors, the disability benefit cuts, the proposed attack on middle class pensions. It's almost like they want a Corbyn-led government next time round which should worry all of us.

Johnson 9:57 Fri Mar 18
Re: All schools to become academies in the budget, according to the beeb

What about the 15 weeks or so when you're not with them Hermit?

You probably shouldn't get paid in those windows should you?

Hermit Road 9:49 Fri Mar 18
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Penners, when you take kids away it's a 24 hr shift. If it isn't, you're negligent letting your kids go away with someone who is going to clock off at a certain time. Taking your own kids away is hard work, taking 50 away is full on. Pointing that out will probably go down as a moan in your book though.

As I say, you're all about the narrative regardless of the facts. Your story is that teachers moan and you're sticking to it.

One McAvennieeeeee 8:25 Fri Mar 18
Re: All schools to become academies in the budget, according to the beeb

Hermits a teacher?

FMOB

penners28 8:23 Fri Mar 18
Re: All schools to become academies in the budget, according to the beeb

Ps- working 24 hrs a day for no extra money?! Dony be silly

We've already done the maths thing and worked out some in the private sector regularly work the same hours as you lot, as much as it must pain you...

penners28 8:20 Fri Mar 18
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I'd always say thank you hermit. Im polite see.

Love the fact you accuse me of msking sweeping statements, then you do exactly the same. The whole world isnt against you. Yes you have a difficult job, yes you work a lot of hours...but so di lots of people.

I dont hate teachers, but your replys again back up my comment about not being able to take critiscm. Anyone who dates question you automatically hates you, is that what you are saying?

For the record, im a governer at my kids school and help out/support the events etc. Always make parents evening, make mybdaughter outfits etc for school plays.

stomper 2:00 Fri Mar 18
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Teaching is the hardest and most rewarding job I have ever done.

Hermit Road 1:53 Fri Mar 18
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Penners got away with paying 1/5 of his employers' contribution, now he's only paying the same as his employer, yet he takes the moral high ground over people who pay 66% of their total pension contribution. It's a strange logic than only makes sense in a world where resentment reigns. The world being Penners', the resentment being his hatred of teachers.

I bet your the fucker who, when you're kids are returned to you from a weekend trip where the teachers worked 24 hrs a day for no extra money, doesn't even say thanks.

, 12:04 Fri Mar 18
Re: All schools to become academies in the budget, according to the beeb

Why didn't you become a teacher then?

penners28 11:55 Thu Mar 17
Re: All schools to become academies in the budget, according to the beeb

Im not jealous of your pensions. I do get pissed off when some of you lot moan about contributions going up. Its a kick in the teeth to us in the private sector who contribute to it.

I used to pay in £100 a month and my work £500. Its now like for like. If i went on strike i'd lose my job. I wasnt happy about it, but it is what it is. If i was that pissed off i'd leave.

As proven on here, some teachers just cannot take any kind of criticism at all. Its not a race to the bottom. Look how soldiers are treated. My step brother is in the army and has to buy some of his own kit. What does he do? Gets on with it and defends our country.

Some of your lot have to pay a bit more for a pension most people can only dream off. What do some of them do, bitch and moan, protest, and disrupt the lives of parents by striking.

LAF 6:42 Thu Mar 17
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Penners. Name calling not from me.....what's clear is you tap into the government's ethos about the race to the bottom. Jealous about so called gold plated pensions bla, bla. You don't seriously believe that, do you? Seems to me you advocate apathy and everyone should stop moaning and accept their lot instead of protesting.

LAF 6:37 Thu Mar 17
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Vexed: I'm a teacher. Why do you hate me? We've never met. Bit like saying I hate all postmen. Bit irrational.

Hammer and Pickle 6:32 Thu Mar 17
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Fifth Column 9:28 Thu Mar 17

Cheers - very informative and not a little depressive.

And I agree with Hermit Rd.

Hermit Road 5:48 Thu Mar 17
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Tucked away in this white paper is them doing away with parent governors, and enabling governors to be paid. This is great news because it means that parents have less of a voice in how their children's school is run, whilst private business is about to clean millions from doing a job that previously cost fuck all.

This will turn out to be the cuntiest thing to happen to education in this country since they got rid of grammar schools in large part.

Sniper 4:02 Thu Mar 17
Re: All schools to become academies in the budget, according to the beeb

Over buyer

No academies compete by pissing away all their money on management positions and things like state of the art computers and equipment to make them look good so when people
Go to their open days, things look shiny and new

Teaching quality is very very low on the agenda

overbyyer 11:23 Thu Mar 17
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Zeb, and there is another element to the transition to Academies - Competition.

Academies can and will compete with each other to poach staff and offer curriculum's that appeal to specific sectors of society.

I don't know if they can be selective in their entry criteria, but they will attract their preferred parent demographic, so they get to select pupils that way.

Academy chains will be obliged to 'help-out' other Academies in the area, but I cant see that being any more successful than the private bus operators that begrudgingly run one tatty old bus a day out to the sticks - not because they want to, but because their contract says they have to.

BRANDED 11:17 Thu Mar 17
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Vexed.
Are you saying NO politician and NO teacher ever did anything valuable ever?

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